tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7961882.post8451337272674540638..comments2024-03-17T08:30:21.129+00:00Comments on Open and Shut?: De Gruyter’s Sven Fund on the state of Open Access: Where are we, what still needs to be done?Richard Poynderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05433823131339077354noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7961882.post-91597748307538102002015-01-12T07:16:33.190+00:002015-01-12T07:16:33.190+00:00Thanks for this Douglas.
I think the problem is ...Thanks for this Douglas. <br /><br />I think the problem is that it is a live system. <br /><br />If you message me with your email account I can try and send you the data that way.Richard Poynderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05433823131339077354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7961882.post-84708784749203179612015-01-11T23:50:48.660+00:002015-01-11T23:50:48.660+00:00http://goo.gl/QPxAme
fails thusly:
Achtung
Sie ...<br />http://goo.gl/QPxAme<br /><br />fails thusly:<br /><br />Achtung<br /><br />Sie haben längere Zeit keine Eingaben mehr gemacht.<br /><br />Aus Sicherheitsgründen wurde Ihre Sitzung beendet. Bitte starten Sie die Suche neu.<br /><br />[Warning<br /><br />You haven't made any entries for a while.<br /><br />For security reasons your session has ended. Please start a new search.]<br /><br />I'm afraid it is for someone who leans less heavily on Google Translate when decoding German to repeat the search and post the info.Douglas Carnall, @juliuzbeezerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13563159368217318352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7961882.post-25368426100806440492014-01-06T14:03:26.706+00:002014-01-06T14:03:26.706+00:00Dear Stefan,
I put your point to De Gruyter, who ...Dear Stefan,<br /><br />I put your point to De Gruyter, who replied thus:<br /><br />"All German companies have to publish their annual finance statement in the 'Bundesanzeiger'.<br />De Gruyter you will find here": <br /><br />http://goo.gl/QPxAmeRichard Poynderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05433823131339077354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7961882.post-18965659939811587872014-01-05T20:18:05.327+00:002014-01-05T20:18:05.327+00:00Sven Fund said: "I feel that De Gruyter’s mod...Sven Fund said: "I feel that De Gruyter’s moderate profit secures it sustainability; it is not excessive, and it is information which is completely transparent and available to everyone."<br />Where is this information? While Elsevier is forced to publish their profit rates since they are on the stock market and Springer publishes the profit rates since they want to go to the stock market, I do not know of any publication that discusses the profit margins of De Gruyter. Maybe I missed something. If this information is publicly available, I would like to know.Stefan Müllerhttp://hpsg.fu-berlin.de/~stefan/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7961882.post-72393655587555447902013-09-23T11:35:00.751+00:002013-09-23T11:35:00.751+00:00I would prefer that this discussion did not become...I would prefer that this discussion did not become too heated, or too personal. <br /><br />That said, I think it fair to ask whether — if it disagrees with the actions and the policies of the Boersenverein — De Gruyter ought not to consider leaving the organisation. <br /><br />Is this something that De Gruyter has considered and, if it has, why did it apparently decide against doing so?Richard Poynderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05433823131339077354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7961882.post-83582753728665411332013-09-23T10:59:54.211+00:002013-09-23T10:59:54.211+00:00Oh, and just to be sure: did you just write that t...Oh, and just to be sure: did you just write that there is not even any public record of you disagreeing with the work of the Börsenverein?Bjoern Brembshttp://brembs.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7961882.post-8290465339462271592013-09-23T10:42:51.323+00:002013-09-23T10:42:51.323+00:00Dear Sven (if I may),
you write: "Why should...Dear Sven (if I may),<br /><br />you write: "Why should I doubt the "intellectual capacity" of Richard's readers? Any prejudice??"<br /><br />To the first question, it appears as if you do not expect this audience neither to be capable of searching online to test the veracity of your claims, nor of seeing through the "I'm not happy with their stance on OA" evasion tactics. If anything, at least from my point of view, your reply has has made your contempt for the readership here even more apparent. <br /><br />As to your second question about my supposed prejudice: first, I must thank you for demonstrating my case so clearly with your blatant "I support the organization, but not their stance on OA" - it not only adds insult to injury with your disingenuous statement in the interview above, it also follows and reinforces what we've come to expect from publishers: e.g., the support of most US publishers of the RWA through the Association of American Publishers and their identical evasion afterwards.<br /><br />Thus, it's not pre-judice to expect this behavior, it's experience with PRISM, RWA, fake journals, SOPA, lawsuits against librarians, publishers' support of a wide variety of anti-OA organizations and so on. An expectation that you just reinforced, thanks again.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />Björn<br /><br />P.S.: Just in the odd case I haven't made myself clear enough: I just discussed this situation with my colleagues here over lunch. I was reminded of it by the behavior of a group of students who had handed in a lab report which was formatted justified for the most part, except two pages where the text was aligned on the left and some words were underlined in blue (those were the two pages copied from Wikipedia, of course). Your statement that de Gruyter never lobbied against OA when a powerful organization you support states on their own site that it does just that, is about as insulting to anybody reading that interview above, as it is to copy-and-paste two pages from Wikipedia without even bothering to take the links out of the text in a lab report. Doubling down on the insult by evasion just made it worse, as it demonstrated that you didn't make a mistake, when you made the statement, but were aware that you supported an anti-OA lobby organization. Just like the students with their Wikipedia article, you apparently thought that this is appropriate behavior, which is precisely how publishers have been behaving for the last decade or more.Bjoern Brembshttp://brembs.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7961882.post-3588033426364291772013-09-23T09:13:27.223+00:002013-09-23T09:13:27.223+00:00Bjoern (if I may),
it is true that De Gruyter is ...Bjoern (if I may),<br /><br />it is true that De Gruyter is member of the Boersenverein. And it is no secret that I am not at all happy with thei organization's position about open access. I am sure their management is happy to testify. Why should I doubt the "intellectual capacity" of Richard's readers? Any prejudice??<br /><br />Best<br /><br />Sven Sven Fundnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7961882.post-87721097863344499262013-09-23T08:37:05.430+00:002013-09-23T08:37:05.430+00:00Mr. Fund, after avoiding answering questions about...Mr. Fund, after avoiding answering questions about de Gruyter anti-OA lobbyism eventually stated: “Just for the record: No, De Gruyter has never lobbied against OA.”<br /><br />This sounds somewhat disingenuous, to be polite, as de Gruyter is a member of the Börsenverein des Deutschen Buchhandels:<br />http://www.boersenverein.de/de/portal/Mitgliedersuche/158377?suchstring=gruyter&plz=&lv=<br />This trade organization for German publishers states on their own website that they do lobby 'intensively' alongside legislative author's right reform in Germany:<br />http://www.boersenverein.de/de/404789<br />Their website also leaves no doubt what they think about open access and what their "intensive lobbying efforts" attempt to accomplish:<br />http://www.boersenverein.de/de/portal/index.html?meldung_id=624387<br /><br />All of this information was found by simply typing<br />Börsenverein "open access" into Google and clicking on the first two links. <br /><br />It has not escaped our notice that the fact that Mr. Fund apparently finds it completely safe to answer that de Gruyter never lobbied against OA in the face of such public information, speaks volumes about what Mr. Fund thinks about the intellectual capacity of his audience.<br /><br />I've summarized my points also here:<br />http://bjoern.brembs.net/2013/09/is-de-gruyters-lobby-by-proxy-not-lobbyism/Bjoern Brembshttp://brembs.netnoreply@blogger.com